[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

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Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

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It sounds a plan with good intentions and very easy on the ear.
Interesting though how he wouldn't put a time line it nor a figure on how much the boat crossings would come down.
As with any plans, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I hope it works, but am sceptical about the amount of immovable bureaucracy in the way and 'the real world'.
Let's see the figures in 2 years time, that will be the guage of success.
So many unanswered questions.
 




Thunder Bolt

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Is it PotG? said:
It sounds a plan with good intentions and very easy on the ear.
Interesting though how he wouldn't put a time line it nor a figure on how much the boat crossings would come down.
As with any plans, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I hope it works, but am sceptical about the amount of immovable bureaucracy in the way and 'the real world'.
Let's see the figures in 2 years time, that will be the guage of success.
So many unanswered questions.
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He’s got to win an election first!
But then you already knew that.
 














WATFORD zero

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Chicken Run said:
Why do you even engage with this bloke, he’s time rich and is waiting to pounce at every moment, just ignore him
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If only there was some sort of function to ignore my posts. It's quite simple, don't make stupid posts (like these from last few posts on this thread)

Chicken Run said:
I’m confident that from day one of the New Labour administration and going forward there won’t be anymore Government scandals and NSC will once again become a peaceful message board where we all get on and silly falling’s out amongst our fellow supporters will be a thing of the past.
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Is it PotG? said:
Well according to quite a few on here he's in total control and knows EXACTLY what he's doing...this is all part of the master plan.
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Chicken Run said:
#theyreallthesame
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Is it PotG? said:
That's it. £75m, a couple of extra coppers and job done.

Fabulous news.

Why didn't anyone else think of this?
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And I won't have to highlight them, like I won't highlight the Irony of the two of you quoting me within minutes of my post. Deal ? :wink:
 
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Herr Tubthumper

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beorhthelm said:
you mean the French? they can only do so much really, constrained by their laws. they've torn down the camps repeatedly, hasn't stopped the flow. they could say the problem is at the Italian border, nowt can do about that. and everyone ignores the same issue faced in the Med.

if you mean our border force, they are even more constrained by not being in France. literally nothing they can do but scoop them up.

if you mean the politicians, they are kicking the ball around without any real attempt at scoring a solution, avoiding the obvious one to accept and process claims abroad.
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I don’t mean any of that. I mean the new incoming government.
 


Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

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'A hostile territory for gangs'......or so the saying goes.

Is this not the man who once said that “racist undercurrent … permeates all immigration law”.

I also read, in an enlightening article by the eloquent Mrs Tominey that:
"As a Remainer, he battled to keep free movement. As shadow immigration minister, he fought against changes to Tier 2 visas, including a £35,000 salary cap.

He also fought against attempts to bring down the number of overseas students and the dependants they were bringing to the UK, and called for an amnesty for illegal workers and those who employ them. “Fairness and common sense dictate that we should not support the criminalisation of employees themselves for illegal working,” he declared in 2015.

According to an analysis by the Henry Jackson Society, between 2015 and 2022, Starmer voted 14 times against a stricter asylum system and abstained 22 times, never voting in favour of stricter measures. Indeed, he actually tried to modify the law to allow Channel migrants who are “afraid to return” to their home countries to be eligible for asylum, and endeavoured to prevent small boats that reach UK waters from being turned back."

What could possibly go wrong?
 


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WATFORD zero said:
If only there was some sort of function to ignore my posts. It's quite simple, don't make stupid posts (like these from last few posts on this thread)









And I won't have to highlight them, like I won't highlight the Irony of the two of you quoting me within minutes of my post. Deal ? :wink:
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There is a solution to twats:

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Rdodge30 said:
Sir Keir Starmer to make a speech in Dover today, finally outlining how he will combat the small boats immigration problem.

Source : The Times

The Labour leader will use a speech in Dover to unveil plans for a new Border Security Command that will incorporate intelligence agents, border officers, police, specialist investigators and prosecutors who will be tasked with targeting criminal gangs that facilitate illegal migration to the UK. Labour will also expand the counter-terror powers available to target people-smuggling gangs.
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But....how will he pay for that without raising taxes? ???

Whatbout another five years of the tories?

Other stupid comments are also available - Potty will doubtless share them all if he hasn't done so already :thumbsup:
 


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deletebeepbeepbeep said:
Unless there's some cross working with the French authorities targeting the gangs seems a bit pointless.

Also do France really want to stop the gangs themselves.
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They don't want deaths in their waters. They don't want criminals attempting to traffic people in their seaside towns. They don't want to be seen as nothing more than a nation through which foreigners pass, 'illegally'.

And unless the French have decided that the best way of dealing with the UK is the way I deal with the likes of Potty, they will have to work with us. My economy and welfare are not remotely dependent on having to read the wanky opinion of right wing nobbers on NSC, but the French are not going to close their borders with us, ban English exports and put us on ignore, are they?

All the French need to be able to work with the UK is a sensible UK government that is genuinely interested in resolving the problem rather that one that is only only interested in weaponizing it for domestic consumption. The French will work with us - when we have replaced the ****s that have been f***ing about for the past several years with some grown ups :shrug:
 


Rdodge30

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
The French will work with us - when we have replaced the ****s that have been f***ing about for the past several years with some grown ups
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You cannot possibly believe that to be true??

The UK changes government and the French work with us to prevent refugees leaving France for the UK?

Will not happen
 






Hugo Rune

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Rdodge30 said:
You cannot possibly believe that to be true??

The UK changes government and the French work with us to prevent refugees leaving France for the UK?

Will not happen
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I suggest that if we work with them to set-up a legal asylum route through a processing/assessment centre on French soil, they very much will work with us.
 








Thunder Bolt

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Rdodge30 said:
You cannot possibly believe that to be true??

The UK changes government and the French work with us to prevent refugees leaving France for the UK?

Will not happen
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Macron offered it in 2018, but Theresa May turned him down. He wanted to get rid of the ‘jungle’ in Calais.
 


Rdodge30

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rogersix said:
we shall see, would you enjoy collaborating with someone as obnoxious as bunglcunt?
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In this instance- regarding immigration between France and UK , I believe personalities are of no significance whatsoever and also political competence is of little importance. I simply cannot see any situation where Macron enters into any agreement that benefits the UK.

All politics is local and the opinion polls of the French electorate regarding immigration to the UK will be more relevant to Macron than who is the other side of the negotiating table.

He is already trailing Le Pen

Of course if Le Pen gets power in France , there won’t even be a negotiating table
 


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